Gary Gibson
12-26-2009, 04:24 AM
Coach, for your consideration. (http://www.startingstrength.com/resources/forum/showpost.php?p=87212&postcount=27)
I'm trying to figure out how bad I should feel about my clean-to-deadlift ratio. There are a couple of other guys on the forum who have very similar squat and deadlift numbers to mine and who are similarly struggling with the quick lifts. We all seem to be hitting our heads against the same 40-45% of clean as a percentage of deadlift. Hear tell you had a power clean that was a similar percentage of your deadlift: 275 to 633. How to know when you just suck at cleans and when you are at your max clean ability for a given deadlift strength?
Speaking of which, do you think the power pulls (both clean and snatch) are more directly dependent on deadlift strength or squat strength? Are they a function of the squat or the deadlift? Maybe a function of the deadlift which is a function of the squat? I make the point in that post in the link that traditionally weightlifters fuel everything with squat strength, but they also do heavy deadlift variations even if they don't pull heavy from the floor often or at all.
I went crazy upping my squat numbers a whole lot while my deadlift barely budge and only did so as a spillover effect of higher squat numbers. Imagine my surprise when my quick pulls didn't move at all after all the squat increases. I know I'm out of practice, but I figured I'd be able to muscle up some higher numbers. Maybe I was relying on the wrong lift; maybe they'll go up with my conventional deadlift.
I'm trying to figure out how bad I should feel about my clean-to-deadlift ratio. There are a couple of other guys on the forum who have very similar squat and deadlift numbers to mine and who are similarly struggling with the quick lifts. We all seem to be hitting our heads against the same 40-45% of clean as a percentage of deadlift. Hear tell you had a power clean that was a similar percentage of your deadlift: 275 to 633. How to know when you just suck at cleans and when you are at your max clean ability for a given deadlift strength?
Speaking of which, do you think the power pulls (both clean and snatch) are more directly dependent on deadlift strength or squat strength? Are they a function of the squat or the deadlift? Maybe a function of the deadlift which is a function of the squat? I make the point in that post in the link that traditionally weightlifters fuel everything with squat strength, but they also do heavy deadlift variations even if they don't pull heavy from the floor often or at all.
I went crazy upping my squat numbers a whole lot while my deadlift barely budge and only did so as a spillover effect of higher squat numbers. Imagine my surprise when my quick pulls didn't move at all after all the squat increases. I know I'm out of practice, but I figured I'd be able to muscle up some higher numbers. Maybe I was relying on the wrong lift; maybe they'll go up with my conventional deadlift.