Acne, dairy and cancer

[armakuni]

Hi

This might be silly bullshit:
http://cancersupportinternational.com/Danby,%20FW%202009%20Acne,%20dairy%20and%20cancer. pdf

It has not stopped me drinking milk but maybe somebody can tell how good this research is in general?

[StLRPh]

Best quote in the article
"Acne, breast cancer and prostate cancer have all been linked epidemiologically to dairy intake."

So in a nutshell people that drink milk get cancer and have acne. Therefore, milk causes cancer and acne.

I did like the fact that the diagram showed that milk can convert into testosterone.

The real question is can increased testosterone and/or IGF1 cause any of the listed side effects?

[OldMike]

Check out their FAQ page:

(http://http://www.cancersupportinternational.com//FAQs.asp)http://www.cancersupportinternational.com//FAQs.asp

It looks like they promote a vegan lifestyle, and it will cost you money to get any "pertinent" information. Seems like just another for-profit business.

[armakuni]

Really good points StLRPh and OldMike. I knew that there are much smarter people than I am.

[Nauticus]

I used to have near severe acne. Shit got bad, nothing worked, so I took the logical step and did Accutane for 6 months. No acne at all now even though I down a gallon of milk every day.

One thing about acne is that it varies from one person to the next. There is no one size fits all prescription (but Accutane works well for nearly all). Cutting foods out one at a time to see if they're suspect is a good strategy.

[matclone]

I was treated by a dermatologist for many years, and, as I recall from their literature and statements, there is no established link between diet and acne (even though that has been the "street" wisdom thoughout my lifetime). Now, there could be more current stuff, as is offered in the study above, but if there were a consensus in the medical field I think we would be hearing about it. Same with milk and cancer. On the other hand, there is, as much as I can tell, a clear consensus regarding a connection b/t cholesterol and heart disase but, shhh, don't tell anyone here about it.

[StLRPh]

there could be more current stuff, as is offered in the study above

for what its worth, this isn't a study. Its an editorial and the majority of the references are older than I am.

[matclone]

You're right. I guess I didn't look at it very closely. Well, someone has gone through the trouble to give it an appearance of a study--MD author, graphs, published in a journal with citations.

[coldfire]

I was treated by a dermatologist for many years, and, as I recall from their literature and statements, there is no established link between diet and acne (even though that has been the "street" wisdom thoughout my lifetime). Now, there could be more current stuff, as is offered in the study above, but if there were a consensus in the medical field I think we would be hearing about it. Same with milk and cancer. On the other hand, there is, as much as I can tell, a clear consensus regarding a connection b/t cholesterol and heart disase but, shhh, don't tell anyone here about it.

During World War II there was a consensus that killing jews for being jews is good.
Do you always agree with current consensus?

[mcsquared]

Here's another great site:

http://www.notmilk.com/

Looks like it was designed in the early 1990s

[Paul Richardson]

Personal anecdotal evidence here, whenever I cut out dairy completely (in my case by going Paleo), my occurrence of spots/acne reduces massively.

I've done this on 2 separate occasions, basically are doing SS for a few months with the milk, and then going Paleo. It could be something else in my diet but my conclusion is it's the dairy.

Only way to find out for sure is try it yourself,

No idea about the other stuff mentioned related to milk though,

YMMV

Paul

[Patrick]

I see the wagons circling when I read these responses. Cards on the table: we (myself included) like milk for its ability to stimulate growth. I didn't father a child with milk and I don't listen to it for advice on money or god... so why the full-throated, poorly justified albeit full-throated defense?

First: "So in a nutshell people that drink milk get cancer and have acne. Therefore, milk causes cancer and acne." That's crap. What you're doing is suggesting that this is someone saying "correlation is causation" and that's no the case. Epidemiology is how you get information from existing data without subjecting people to potentially harmful, practically intractable experiments. It's how we know smoking causes cancer. I find it very interesting that StLRPh latched on to something in the abstract so heavily -- as if the abstract was the substance of the piece.

Second, the claim that the citations are older than you seems to indicated that this information is somehow outmoded and inaccurate. Well, first of all, unless you're under 20 then you're factually wrong. By a quick glance, about 2/3rds of the citations are LESS than 20 years old and over half are from within the last 10 years. That is, of course, if you look past the references offered in the introduction -- a place that refers to the oldest literature in almost every paper ever read.

I don't really know anything about this particular topic... I've heard quite a few people talk about a link between IGF and rapidity of growth in cancer cells and I know Loren Cordain wrote a book on the relationship between the Paleo Diet and acne. However, I do know when someone is twisting information so that he can pretend that things contrary to his preference are invalid on intellectual grounds and that's just dishonest. If you like milk then drink milk but don't pretend you know better when it's convenient.

[matclone]

During World War II there was a consensus that killing jews for being jews is good.
Do you always agree with current consensus?

Was my argument about consensus so difficult that you felt the need to take a personal shot at me? Do you have anything to add to the topic?

[hbriem]

Here's another great site:

http://www.notmilk.com/

Looks like it was designed in the early 1990s

What's "great" about it, other than the sheer whacked-out dribbling lunacy?

[mcsquared]

What's "great" about it, other than the sheer whacked-out dribbling lunacy?

Its great for just that reason.