Fast food and bulking

[MikeJanell]

Stats:
6'
was: 137 currently: 174 goal: 200

Goal is to get bigger and stronger/

What are thoughts about eating fast food in order to increase calorie and protein intake.

For example I am starting to hit Mcdonalds after workouts and downing 3 double cheeseburgers for about 1500 cals and 75g of protein.

Is this a good idea and counter productive?

What if I were to eat 3 double cheeseburgers everyday for 2 months?

[Sami]

My troll-dar is firing.

If you have spent any time here, any time at all, you'd already know the answer. SS:BBT and 70sBig.com are your friends.

It's a good idea, and it's not counter productive.

3 Double cheeseburgers for 2 months won't kill you. But everyday? You'll get sick of them. Try GOMAD, or half GOMAD since you haven't got a huge amount to gain.

[MikeJanell]

lol

clearly not a troll.

Theres alot of info on this site its sometimes hard to get to specifically what your looking.

Anyways thanks for the link - not sure what SS:BBT is

[MikeJanell]

Thanks Sami.

[Brenden]

SS:BBT is Starting Strength: Basic Barbell Training. PPST is Practical Programming for Strength Training, which you'll undoubtedly see on these forums at some point.

Fast food is good until it's not good.

[misspelledgeoff]

you clearly have your head on straight. MickeyD, The King, and Elsie the Cow should be your best friends over the next two months. Just don't forget the Squat Rack.

[Mr.City]

Don't forget your milkshake too

[51M0n]

When I find a BK located next to a McD's I like to do a Mc 1/4 pound-whooper. It's a whopper stacked on top of a 1/4 pounder like a big Mac.

[BigJavs]

20 piece chicken mcnuggets after every squat and dead session for me...

with fries of course.

[kittenSmash]

There's a BK right by my work, so 4 double cheese and a shake is a meal I am very familiar with. Hard to complain when it's under $7. I'll ditch the buns and shake when I'm not trying to gain. Fast food is your friend when bulking.

[Chewie_jrc]

Yeah does seem kinda Troll-ish considering a simple search would have turned up a few results. Just don't pull an msingh and eat without lifting k?

[The Laughing Man]

In the last 4 months, university holidays, I've been eating a fair bit of mickey D's(about 4-5 times a week) as it is about 10 meters from my desk at work, so I'd been eating it out of convenience.

My weight has remained the same(86-87kg), which is good as I'm a weight class athlete, my training has been going the same(good), and I've been feeling the same(good).

Now all the fast food probably isn't that great for my long term health I'll admit, but its' really not that much, and I think aslong as you don't go nuts with it, it can form part of a great strength building diet, and even a part of a relatively healthy one too if you manage it well.

I'm ceasing fulltime work next week and going back to study, so I won't be eating much fast food at all then. But I don't think it's all that bad, especially for somebody trying to gain strength and bulk.

[gzt]

Yes, as long as it's not a long-term plan, it's a great idea. You need to be over 220, by the way.

[The Laughing Man]

Yes, as long as it's not a long-term plan, it's a great idea. You need to be over 220, by the way.

I lol'd.

[toddmr]

4 double cheese and a shake is a meal I am very familiar with.

Damn.

[MikeJanell]

lol i asked the exact same question at bb.com and got completely opposite answers. Good thing I like this site more.

Cant see myself getting sick of MickeyDs for a while just wish I had a BK close by as from what Ive read its the most caloire dense food.

Ill think Ill stick with the burgers for now and skip the shake and fries, just not there yet - besides I dont really like sugary foods.

Going to also aim for 200, although that will probably change once i hit it.

Anyways thanks for all the replies.

[Mr.City]

Asking BB.com? Really? There's like a new gyno and "what do I eat?" thread there every 20 minutes.

[PVC]

Ever pay attention to the stats of the guys who respond? Most of them weigh under 170 lbs and haven't grown in years. I would be very skeptical of getting advice from BB.com.

[Mr.City]

The SS thread there is funny because I see many of the posters there usually stall around the 110-120 range and hardly any press over 100 lbs. I suspect it is due to fearing of eating.

[PVC]

The SS thread there is funny because I see many of the posters there usually stall around the 110-120 range and hardly any press over 100 lbs. I suspect it is due to fearing of eating.

This scares me, because I recently pressed 110 and will be attempting 115 on Friday. I guess I'd better start supersizing.

And as for fast food, 100% eat your heart out if you are trying to gain weight. Fuck the milk - if it weren't for McDonalds, I wouldn't have been able to gain shit.

[Rorschach]

Well, McDonalds etc *is* shit food, but it's cheap and easy, and who doesn't like cheap and easy?
As long as you're training hard and still eating plenty of veg etc, you're hardly going to get diabetes from topping up on fast food for a few months.

[The Laughing Man]

You know after 4 months of smashing mcdonalds, having it 10 metres from my work, I may just be sick of it, may...

I worked at KFC for 1.5 years, during 05/06(working 3-4 times a week, eating free food every single shift), and I've had it maybe 3 times since then, I still don't really have a taste for KFC.

[jayknow05]

This scares me, because I recently pressed 110 and will be attempting 115 on Friday. I guess I'd better start supersizing.

And as for fast food, 100% eat your heart out if you are trying to gain weight. Fuck the milk - if it weren't for McDonalds, I wouldn't have been able to gain shit.

I personally think fast food is for lazy people in general. Doesn't matter if you're fat and lazy, or strong and lazy. I gain weight and I don't eat fast food, unless I'm being lazy.

[kittenSmash]

I personally think fast food is for lazy people in general. Doesn't matter if you're fat and lazy, or strong and lazy. I gain weight and I don't eat fast food, unless I'm being lazy.

Really?! So for all of us that work long hours, train for 1.5 to 2 hours, then after other basic neccessities, don't even have time to sleep more than a few hours...we are lazy?! Are we supposed to feel bad for using cheap, fast, caloric dense food to gain weight? Perhaps you are in the same boat as us, but still feel fast food is only for lazy people, if that's the case then I feel sorry for you.
Now don't get me wrong, I used to never touch the shit until I hit 220 and couldn't eat my way past that weight with just regular food, and I have a mean appetite. For those of us short on time, money, and calories, fast food gets it done.

[Domjo54]

This scares me, because I recently pressed 110 and will be attempting 115 on Friday. I guess I'd better start supersizing.

And as for fast food, 100% eat your heart out if you are trying to gain weight. Fuck the milk - if it weren't for McDonalds, I wouldn't have been able to gain shit.

man, i have an identical philosophy right now. last week, i hit 110 on my press (was a challenge, but not a battle of epic proportions). then, this weekend i got a little lazy and didn't eat quite as much--on tuesday, i went for the 115 and got my ass ROCKED (4 reps, 3 reps, 3 reps, and finishing those reps was harder than the full-on PR last week). basically, the moral of the story is EAT.


besides, who doesnt fucking love burgers anyway?

[PVC]

man, i have an identical philosophy right now. last week, i hit 110 on my press (was a challenge, but not a battle of epic proportions). then, this weekend i got a little lazy and didn't eat quite as much--on tuesday, i went for the 115 and got my ass ROCKED (4 reps, 3 reps, 3 reps, and finishing those reps was harder than the full-on PR last week). basically, the moral of the story is EAT.

Yes. Good moral.

I actually made 120 on Tuesday, which was pretty difficult. I think I'm marginally undereating - i'm still gaining weight, and it's enough food for now, but I have to step it up or else I'll be stalling soon.

Go eat people.

And McDonalds.

[jayknow05]

Really?! So for all of us that work long hours, train for 1.5 to 2 hours, then after other basic neccessities, don't even have time to sleep more than a few hours...we are lazy?! Are we supposed to feel bad for using cheap, fast, caloric dense food to gain weight? Perhaps you are in the same boat as us, but still feel fast food is only for lazy people, if that's the case then I feel sorry for you.
Now don't get me wrong, I used to never touch the shit until I hit 220 and couldn't eat my way past that weight with just regular food, and I have a mean appetite. For those of us short on time, money, and calories, fast food gets it done.

Go to the grocery store, get yourself some ground beef: 10lbs = ~$20
Get yourself a pack of generic american (or whatever) cheese: ~$3
Get some rolls to accomodate the 20 cheeseburgers worth of supplies you have: ~$5
Get a couple bags of frozen tots or potatoes or pasta or whatever: ~$5-10

That's $33-40 for 20 HALF POUND cheeseburgers with fries. Cheaper and healthier than McDonalds. Adds about 2 minutes to your trip to the grocery store, and a burger takes about 10 minutes to make, the starch an extra 10 max.

edit: Get a crock pot, buy a roast at 3.49 a pound, chop up potatoes, carrots, celery, season. Place in crock pot in the AM, have delicious roast waiting for you after your workout. 5-10 minutes prep time and cleanup.

These things all take planning and action, fast food on the other hand takes a 15-20 minute trip to a fast food restraunt, and $10 later you have your food. You'd be saving time, money, and cholesterol in the long run if you make your own food.

[Aslin]

Olive oil!

[misspelledgeoff]

BK is still running a special where you can get a double 1/4 pounder with cheese for 1.19. It used to be $1.

Even at the higher price that's $24 compared to your $28 -$30 (I subtracted your frozen tots--who the hell wants those anyway the bun has sufficient carbs).

So BK is cheaper. Then there is the HYOOOGE pain in the ass of buying all that shit, making all that shit and toting all that shit around until you are ready to eat it.

Now can you please explain how store bought burgers are healthier than BKs?


Go to the grocery store, get yourself some ground beef: 10lbs = ~$20
Get yourself a pack of generic american (or whatever) cheese: ~$3
Get some rolls to accomodate the 20 cheeseburgers worth of supplies you have: ~$5
Get a couple bags of frozen tots or potatoes or pasta or whatever: ~$5-10

That's $33-40 for 20 HALF POUND cheeseburgers with fries. Cheaper and healthier than McDonalds. Adds about 2 minutes to your trip to the grocery store, and a burger takes about 10 minutes to make, the starch an extra 10 max.

edit: Get a crock pot, buy a roast at 3.49 a pound, chop up potatoes, carrots, celery, season. Place in crock pot in the AM, have delicious roast waiting for you after your workout. 5-10 minutes prep time and cleanup.

These things all take planning and action, fast food on the other hand takes a 15-20 minute trip to a fast food restraunt, and $10 later you have your food. You'd be saving time, money, and cholesterol in the long run if you make your own food.

[cyhulhupun]

Because with store-bought meat, you can be assured that it's actually meat (and good quality meat as well). You are also most likely not cooking your food in rancid fat (a problem I seem to find more in BK than any other fast food joint).

[Rorschach]

What's wrong with rancid fat for bulking? :D

[kittenSmash]

Go to the grocery store, get yourself some ground beef: 10lbs = ~$20
Get yourself a pack of generic american (or whatever) cheese: ~$3
Get some rolls to accomodate the 20 cheeseburgers worth of supplies you have: ~$5
Get a couple bags of frozen tots or potatoes or pasta or whatever: ~$5-10

That's $33-40 for 20 HALF POUND cheeseburgers with fries. Cheaper and healthier than McDonalds. Adds about 2 minutes to your trip to the grocery store, and a burger takes about 10 minutes to make, the starch an extra 10 max.

edit: Get a crock pot, buy a roast at 3.49 a pound, chop up potatoes, carrots, celery, season. Place in crock pot in the AM, have delicious roast waiting for you after your workout. 5-10 minutes prep time and cleanup.

These things all take planning and action, fast food on the other hand takes a 15-20 minute trip to a fast food restraunt, and $10 later you have your food. You'd be saving time, money, and cholesterol in the long run if you make your own food.

It takes me 6 minutes, and $3.27 to get 3 1/4lb dbl cheese from BK when I'm at work. Plus the cholesterol deal has been beaten to death. I personally have seen enough to be comfortable that my serum cholesterol is hardly affected by my dietary cholesterol intake. Then you have the studies that show high cholesterol is not a good indicator of heart disease, so why the worry.
As for your shopping examples, I do pretty much exactly those two meals quite frequently, but on top of that I add BK and Pizza Time $7 XL beef and sausage (added olive oil JM Blakely style like Aslin suggested) for an extra calorie boost.
And as I said before, I only ate like that to bust through 220, and get on another 20lbs. It is not an everyday, year-round diet.

[misspelledgeoff]

We are talking about hamburgers here. Neither McD nor BK cook meat 'in fat'. They are fried or grilled. There is no external fat added. So there is no fat to go rancid unless you are referring to the fat in the ground beef.

But you couldn't be referring to the beef fat as beef fat is not prone to rancidity due to fully saturated nature of the fatty acid chains. Meaning, of course, there are no double bonds in the fatty acid chains for free radicals to attack. This, as you know, is the chemical mechanism behind fat going rancid.

You are probably confusing hamburgers with french fries which are fried in unsaturated oils like peanut or some such shit. These oils are certainly prone to rancidity. But how anyone could confuse a hamburger with a goddamn french frie is beyond me.




Because with store-bought meat, you can be assured that it's actually meat (and good quality meat as well). You are also most likely not cooking your food in rancid fat (a problem I seem to find more in BK than any other fast food joint).

[Tiburon]

For example I am starting to hit Mcdonalds after workouts and downing 3 double cheeseburgers for about 1500 cals and 75g of protein.


Add a large Shamrock Shake and a couple of $1 side salads and then I'll start listening.

[aussieluke]

What do any of you guys in the UK think of Kebab shops for an ideal high protein, high fat, high calorie fast food?

In case you guys outside the UK don't know what a kebab shop is, it is basically fast food for drunk people in town centers at 2am.

The most common dish is a 'Donner Kebab' where they carve a lot of fatty, garlicy 'meat' off a giant spit that has been sat there roasting for days (charmingly known as the elephants foot), and serve it in a pita bread, with salad, and a shitload of mayonaise and chili sauce.

But, you can also go in there and ask for one of the many other options on the menu, such as a kofte kebab, where they'll take some marinaded lamb and flame grill it for you, and again, serve it in a pita with salad and sauce etc ...and i'm sure they'd be more than happy to charge you slightly more and double the meat.

But the main point is, the government HATES this stuff and it is top of every newspaper list of terrible fatty, high calorie food that we should all avoid because it will kill us all!!!




...so it is probably exactly the sort of thing WE should be eating ...no?

[Sami]

What do any of you guys in the UK think of Kebab shops for an ideal high protein, high fat, high calorie fast food?

In case you guys outside the UK don't know what a kebab shop is, it is basically fast food for drunk people in town centers at 2am.

The most common dish is a 'Donner Kebab' where they carve a lot of fatty, garlicy 'meat' off a giant spit that has been sat there roasting for days (charmingly known as the elephants foot), and serve it in a pita bread, with salad, and a shitload of mayonaise and chili sauce.

But, you can also go in there and ask for one of the many other options on the menu, such as a kofte kebab, where they'll take some marinaded lamb and flame grill it for you, and again, serve it in a pita with salad and sauce etc ...and i'm sure they'd be more than happy to charge you slightly more and double the meat.

But the main point is, the government HATES this stuff and it is top of every newspaper list of terrible fatty, high calorie food that we should all avoid because it will kill us all!!!




...so it is probably exactly the sort of thing WE should be eating ...no?

I usually go for the 1/2 pounders at those places. The only problem I have with the doners is the extreme amounts of salt. The other kebabs don't seem to have as much (shish or kofte), and they actual pieces of meat.

Don't get me started on the UK government: Gym staff could be prosecuted for warning a woman not to lift heavy weights under equality legislation being championed by Harriet Harman (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/7436565/Gym-staff-who-issue-advice-to-women-could-be-prosecuted-under-equality-laws.html)

[aussieluke]

No obviously I would never touch a donner.

I guess the burgers are no worse than anywhere else.

At least with a kofte or a shish though, it is definitely real meat.


Also, what about fish and chips? I think I may have that for lunch!

[Sami]

I've never been huge on fish and chips. I'll have it every so often. Maybe once for every 10 kebabs. :D I don't have it too often since there's an insane amount of carbs. Maybe I should eat some pre-workout.

[aussieluke]

I've never been huge on fish and chips. I'll have it every so often. Maybe once for every 10 kebabs. :D I don't have it too often since there's an insane amount of carbs. Maybe I should eat some pre-workout.

Well I just had fish and chips. A bit disappointing but it filled a hole.

My regular local chippie is absolutely fantastic but this was the one near work. Not so great.

Very greasy and the fish was a little bit gooey around the outside. Worst of all though, I noticed the last bite of fish was a bit crunchy. ...turned out it was bones! BONES!!

fuck knows how many I ate! Urgh

That'll teach me to stray from McDonalds!

[Sami]

I've got a good one near me. Always crispy batter and soft fish. Same with the chips; crispy outside, fluffy inside. Then lots of salt and GALLONS of vinegar. That's the only way to eat that stuff.

But £1.29 double cheeseburgers are probably my staple.

[aussieluke]

I've got a good one near me. Always crispy batter and soft fish. Same with the chips; crispy outside, fluffy inside. Then lots of salt and GALLONS of vinegar. That's the only way to eat that stuff.

But £1.29 double cheeseburgers are probably my staple.

Yeah our local one is like that. Always perfect.

But the £1.29 double is hard to beat for a tasty high protein lunch. 3 of those washed down with 2 pints of milk of course. £3.87 + about 90p for milk

There's a burger van near work that does a 1/2 pound burger for about £3.50 but its not the same.

[Sami]

There's a chicken shop in London that sells 2 fried chicken burgers for £2. Well, it used to be £2 for a long time. I think it might be £2.50 now or something. Still pretty good.

Fuck, I'm hungry now. Lunch time for me (late). :)

[Evan]

What do any of you guys in the UK think of Kebab shops for an ideal high protein, high fat, high calorie fast food?

In case you guys outside the UK don't know what a kebab shop is, it is basically fast food for drunk people in town centers at 2am.

Haha this brings back some memories of when I lived in the UK for awhile. I remember I could never bring myself to go to one of those dodgy kebab/fried chicken shops during the day when I was sober , but after a night of heavy drinking they are an ideal food for drunks as you said. I would always head to the local kebab shop near my flat on upper street in Islington. There was always a crowd from about 11 pm - 3 AM. My personal favourite was the kebab meat on top of chips loaded up with garlic and chili sauce. It was greasy and delicious.

I was kind of scared though of what else was in the meat after hearing about this story.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-459013/Mother-murdered-girl-kebabs-runs-court-gruesome-testimony.html