WLing Coaches and the Olympics

[Sami]

Hi Charles.

I was just curious about something.

We all know about John Broz and the impressive Mendes kid. He looks like our best hope for USA Weightlifting at the moment. Especially with a 200kg snatch at 19 years old. John Broz certainly, I feel, is a major factor for this kid, and seems to know what he's doing.

My question is, what happens if Mendes wants to go to the Olympics? How does it work? I'm assuming Mendes goes to the USA training camp, but where does that leave Broz? Does Mendes have to leave Broz if he wants to go to the Olympics? I'd hate to see this kid be his strongest at this age, only for his lifts to go down if goes to camp and they fuck him up.

I don't really know how the system works, just curious.


Thanks.

[Charles Staley]

I know a coach who currently has an athlete at the OTC

I know this coach is in regular contact with the athlete, and I believe there is a small degree of change the coach may affect, but not much. The athlete in question is in fact doing better, partly because you mostly only train, eat, and sleep while at the OTC.

I trained a bobsleigh athlete who was utterly FUBARed once she got to the OTC for that sport- it's a shame



Hi Charles.

I was just curious about something.

We all know about John Broz and the impressive Mendes kid. He looks like our best hope for USA Weightlifting at the moment. Especially with a 200kg snatch at 19 years old. John Broz certainly, I feel, is a major factor for this kid, and seems to know what he's doing.

My question is, what happens if Mendes wants to go to the Olympics? How does it work? I'm assuming Mendes goes to the USA training camp, but where does that leave Broz? Does Mendes have to leave Broz if he wants to go to the Olympics? I'd hate to see this kid be his strongest at this age, only for his lifts to go down if goes to camp and they fuck him up.

I don't really know how the system works, just curious.


Thanks.

[Sami]

So what if Mendes said, "I'll only go to OTC if Broz comes with me"? Considering Broz has theoretically had more "success" than any other USA coach, you'd think they'd WANT him there.

I say "success" because obviously the 200kg was a gym lift.

I dunno, probably too much politics. We'll see what happens at Mendes' first meet.

Thanks.

[beast]

Broz said on one of youtube pages mendes now just lifts, sleeps and eats after quitting football. He lives at home with his parents and has no job other than lifting. I also doubt he is going to get much say whether his coach comes, he is most defiantly not going to say i'll only go if my coach comes as why would he turn down a opportunity to compete at the highest levels of his sport.

[GripAU]

An interesting note I might add about broz is that he doesn't believe in overtraining. He uses the Bulgarian method of training and has his athletes maxing almost every session. Google: site:bodybuilding.com John broz interview. Nevertheless, whatever he's doing it's obviously working.

[Eanderson]

Steroids FTW!

[Charles Staley]

Ftw?


steroids ftw!

[Charles Staley]

I met with John this past Saturday and liked him a lot.

If Pat went to the OTC, John would be pretty much out of the picture. Obviously he could still communicate with and advise Pat on some level, but Pat would be expected to do the approved workouts.

I should know this, but I'm not entirely sure if you need to train at the TC to be on the Olympic team. It usually works that way since few young lifters would pass up the chance to be a sponsored athlete so to speak. But I'm not certain that it's required.


Hi Charles.

I was just curious about something.

We all know about John Broz and the impressive Mendes kid. He looks like our best hope for USA Weightlifting at the moment. Especially with a 200kg snatch at 19 years old. John Broz certainly, I feel, is a major factor for this kid, and seems to know what he's doing.

My question is, what happens if Mendes wants to go to the Olympics? How does it work? I'm assuming Mendes goes to the USA training camp, but where does that leave Broz? Does Mendes have to leave Broz if he wants to go to the Olympics? I'd hate to see this kid be his strongest at this age, only for his lifts to go down if goes to camp and they fuck him up.

I don't really know how the system works, just curious.


Thanks.

[Sami]

Ftw?

FTW = For the Win.

"How the fuck did he lift that?"
"Steroids for the win!"

[MazdaMatt]

Ftw?

We know you're old and your VCR blinks 12:00, so FTW = "For The Win".

[Gary Gibson]

An interesting note I might add about broz is that he doesn't believe in overtraining. He uses the Bulgarian method of training and has his athletes maxing almost every session. Google: site:bodybuilding.com John broz interview. Nevertheless, whatever he's doing it's obviously working.

This is not quite accurate. Maxing every day on the snatch and clean is very, very different from frequent maxing on the squat which is very, very different than maxing every day on the deadlift.

The snatch and the clean can be looked at as speed training with a weight far, far less than a max pull from the floor. So you can snatch and clean a lot more frequently without worrying about overtraining than you can do heavy deadlifts.

[lorihultman]

Actually, there is NO requirement to train at the OTC to be on the Olympic team, and in fact many of the team members of the past few Olympics have not been residents of the OTC.

To qualify, you simply have to go to the qualifying meets such as the Olympic trials, and lift enough. However, in order to do this, you have to be a USAW member, which Mendes is not. You also have to be on the NAN program (random out of competition drug testing) and Pat is of course not. There is a time requirement also, to represent the USA in competitions such as the worlds or Olympics, I believe for this next Olympics it will be 18 months, in other words, you have to be on the NAN program continuously for 18 months prior to the Olympics in order to be considered.

This is to keep people from revoking their membership in USAW, not going to any competitions to avoid testing, using banned substances, and stopping only long enough to test clean at the trials.

[grambo]

In Mendes specific case, I don't think the OTC model would be a benefit. Since he already lifts full time (as mentioned earlier in the thread), and John's coaching methods have obviously been working (and they appear to have a close relationship), what is to be gained by switching to another facility/coaching/program? I imagine in other successful WL countries, they do not do this? Also the OTC's history with weightlifters does not seem to be that great at adding to their totals. I think Mendes and Kendrick Ferris seem to have legit shots in 2012, and don't see why USAW would risk undoing years of training with a camp that doesn't have proven results history.

[Charles Staley]

Listen you fuckers, I don't have a VCR- I have a goddamn HD DVD player, a 50-inch HD TV, an iPhone (with lots of apps) and a bunch of other shit too. A lot.

STALEY FTW!!!!


We know you're old and your VCR blinks 12:00, so FTW = "For The Win".

[zzt]

An interesting note I might add about broz is that he doesn't believe in overtraining. He uses the Bulgarian method of training and has his athletes maxing almost every session. Google: site:bodybuilding.com John broz interview. Nevertheless, whatever he's doing it's obviously working.

Be aware that the bulgarians make a distinction between true max and training max, with training maxes being a trial and error thing (85% ish). You can do a f*ck load of volume on the explosive lifts (with no eccentric component also) at 70-85% and not over train. Especially if you have a few years training under your belt. Would be interesting to see how often and what volume these guys back squat. I'm guessing it's nowhere near as much volume as for the snatch and clean&jerk.

[grambo]

Be aware that the bulgarians make a distinction between true max and training max, with training maxes being a trial and error thing (85% ish). You can do a f*ck load of volume on the explosive lifts (with no eccentric component also) at 70-85% and not over train. Especially if you have a few years training under your belt. Would be interesting to see how often and what volume these guys back squat. I'm guessing it's nowhere near as much volume as for the snatch and clean&jerk.

Old thread I know, but if you read the Broz thread on BB.com you will see that they squat pretty much daily to max as well (then back off and do doubles/triples). Again, it's a training max, but they squat a lot in addition to the lifts.

[Randle McMurphy]

yeah, i was gonna tell gary that bulgarian method not only requires max SN and C&J, but also max fs/bs.

And it is not uncommon for their training max to be greater than their competition max