BodyBuilding.com thread

[manisstrong]

Ok, I found this thread on BB.com about SS.
I thought it was bad enough to post it here. Maybe some of you have seen it already.

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=122671021

This kid is 145 pounds and talking shit about starting strength. He is 18 and created his BB.com account this year, when he was 17, yet apparently his profile picture is when he was 14. And apparently he is really muscular and ripped.

http://bodyspace.bodybuilding.com/img/user_images/growable/2010/02/21/25090491/profilepic/1UvrYjCbMbC1fP93BaI7TIVIBweR734p.jpeg

I thought some of you may find some entertainment from it.

[Marotta]

If that guys for real, he needs a good smack in the face from a shovel.

[kfreeman]

To repeat something already stated over there:

Obvious troll is obvious.

Some lulz tho... Some "I'm at work, bored, and though I reached the end of the interwebz" lulz.

[gzt]

man, he didn't come back in june. okay, there's a week left of june, but, still...

[LondonTiger]

wow, amazing first post, congratulations.. it's threads like this and the lack of commenting on the trainign logs, that makes me wonder why I ever come on this site.

[kfreeman]

There has been an odd level of crazy floating around the last year or so (not that I'm free of guilt here, I started a thread about jazercise or some garbage like that).

[Flying Fox]

wow, amazing first post, congratulations.. it's threads like this and the lack of commenting on the trainign logs, that makes me wonder why I ever come on this site.
Really? Those are exactly the reasons I come to this site :p

[LeonidasfromSparta]

This was very funny, and I can't get it why people keep respoding to that guy. Btw, he's among the first to be eaten when the zombie outbreak happens.

[manisstrong]

wow, amazing first post, congratulations.. it's threads like this and the lack of commenting on the trainign logs, that makes me wonder why I ever come on this site.

It's actually my second post, but thank you :rolleyes:

[Marotta]

wow, amazing first post, congratulations.. it's threads like this and the lack of commenting on the trainign logs, that makes me wonder why I ever come on this site.

You can leave anytime...

[Jamie J. Skibicki]

Man,

your first post was about how soccer player aren't pussies because thwey get injured alot. Not setting a great trend.

We all know alot of people, especially the BB crowd doesn't do the program correctly. Nothing new there.

[Flying Fox]

Man,

your first post was about how soccer player aren't pussies because thwey get injured alot. Not setting a great trend. Actually, he's first post was about putting the heels on plates during squat.

Still not a good start.


We all know alot of people, especially the BB crowd doesn't do the program correctly. Nothing new there.Even worst, most people who claim to do "rippetoe's", don't know what the program is for, where it comes from and how it is preformed.

[làidir_sq]

*facepalm*

the OP on bodybuilding.com didn't return....

...

[PVC]

wow, amazing first post, congratulations.. it's threads like this and the lack of commenting on the trainign logs, that makes me wonder why I ever come on this site.

There are plenty of comments on the training logs people care about, i.e. the strong people

[TTT]

Tiger - stop crying for attention.
I commented on your log in the past.

do you want me to quote it in here?

[PVC]

One thing this guy doesn't get is that, as one gets stronger and learns more about strength training - especially through Rip's books and this site - one's mentality changes. The focus becomes getting stronger as opposed to having 6% bodyfat, and as a result there won't be many trainees that do SS and cut down to such low bodyfat levels. I started SS at 163 lbs (at something like 13% bodyfat), went up to 190, and dieted down to ~178 lbs. If I decided I wanted to be really cut I could lose another 15 lbs and probably get down to about 8% bodyfat at 163 lbs (or maybe closer to 6% if I were very very strict with my diet). Thing is, I don't want to. While I would like to be a bit leaner than I currently am, I'm not looking to have a 6-pack, and the strength and muscle loss that would come with cutting that much weight just isn't worth it to me. I still miss how when I was 190 I would grab my upper arm and it would be out to *here* (cups hand an inch away from upper arm to indicate previous diameter). I don't miss the gut though. I still want to be *relatively* lean, but you can bet your ass that over time my bodyweight will increase as much as my strength levels will permit me to without being a fat guy. This means no abs. And I don't care.

[kevintrangone]

What I found funny is that he was running his mouth to someone twice his size and strength. Hooray for the balls given to him by the internet!

[grambo]

The powerlifting/strongman/oly lifting sub-forums on BB.com have some good regulars, bunch of legit powerlifters/oly lifters that compete and offer sane advice. The general forums are filled with stupid skinny teenagers that make Celltech billions of dollars.

[MazdaMatt]

Had I been more "into" working out when I was a teen I probably would have fallen for that shit, too. I worked out regularly, but I was pretty much just doing bench, tri and bi curls, standing rows, bent rows and SLDL's. I think I tried a push press once or twice. I never bought any of the mags and if there were websites I never searched for them, I just made it up.

Who knows what my sporting life would have been had someone told me to drink the fucking milk and get under the fucking bar.

[Carlos Daniel]

"You can think I'm fat, you can think I'm weak, but you know what? If I were standing next to you right now you wouldn't be saying a DAMN thing, because I'm 40 POUNDS BIGGER THAN TWO OF YOU. So you STFU."
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpost.php?p=455662311&postcount=69

That should have settled the discussion.

[Gary Gibson]

I for one am thrilled this BB thread was brought to my attention.



Originally Posted by Zero-Kelvin
THANK YOU!!!!! You say you wouldn't do it either if you were me, but yet these other guys are saying they would. I'm benching 180lbs, squatting 200lbs, deadlifting 250lbs, and more on other lifts, I don't need SS, I don't need to get all my lifts to 300lbs+ before I get into a different program, so I DONT KNOW why these guys are saying I should do it man and they're knocking MY program, tsk tsk tsk.

LULZ Whut!!??

[TomF]

I think it's most embarassing that he doesn't know enough to be embarassed.

A #200 squat and #250 DL, and he's been training for how long? And is a moderate sized male human being?

[TrackJunkie]

Nope, he's 145 lbs.

In other words, he hasn't even made it to the stronglifts 5x5 benchmark of 1.5 BW squat!

[manisstrong]

I for one am thrilled this BB thread was brought to my attention.

Glad to know someone appreciated it. Tough crowd I guess.

[Gary Gibson]

Manisstrong, I now have 30 more pages of pure joy to read through thanks to your efforts. May the lord bless you and keep you.



That's true, but dude....Years? I don't want to bulk up for years then cut down, and I don't want to spend years on a program that doesn't work most of my muscles. Or work my muscles good enough, there's just a few simple things that I think doesn't make SS good. Like it has chin ups instead of barbell curls, it doesn't work abs directly, calves aren't worked directly, triceps are worked from dips and weighted dips but that's it, well, what I'm getting to is it just isn't enough. It just doesn't fit all of my goals, plain and simple. And I'm never going to change the fact that I'm nearly positive that heavy weights more reps is better than heavy weights less reps, to me it's just logic, the progress is TOO slow with benching with so few reps. I use to watch Worlds Strongest man on TV all the time and I rarely seen guys that were big with a nice body, most of them were just big and strong.

To think I spent a few years being this dumb about training too. Zero, I'm LOLing with you as well as at you.

[TrackJunkie]

Apparently OHP and bench don't do anything for the triceps. Fascinating!
Almost as fascinating as one of the threads on there where guys are arguing about how speed of a lift changes the tension during eccentric and concentric portions and they just keep saying nothing! It's incredible how many contentless words those guys can fit into a single post.

[ILiftAlone]

Sadly, this sounds like exactly like everybody I know when they talk about working out.

[gordonrumble]

I'm pretty sure that guy was just a troll. Everyone else just enjoyed it so much they piled into the thread.

[JStrong]

Hey, this is the routine I recommended to Mr. Blink before he stumbled away from the forum!

ZeroKelvin, fighting polar bears while fucking bitches and grating cheese on his abs.

I've actually searched for this thread since then, glad someone found it.

I think I'm going to get a tshirt that says "ZeroKelvin + AK47 > Rippetoe."

Then, maybe one in ten thousand will see it and laugh hysterically.

[TrackJunkie]

I just looked at his AK47 plan out of morbid curiosity.

3x200 calf raises every friday! lol

[JStrong]

Couldn't help myself. For your viewing pleasure, I present....AK47!!!!!

This is only if you want to be ripped, strong, attractive to women, rich, deadly armed or naked, and grow your penis 4-6 inches.

Consider yourself warned!!!
----

Operation 10:

[As strong as an Ox, as cut as a Diamond]

BULKING

MAIN TARGETS: Chest, shoulders, traps, biceps, triceps, back, abs, and legs

The Purpose -

[DON'T change ANYTHING unless I've said you could do so, or else you risk messing up the whole purpose of the program.]

The Targets -

Upper body: [This is going to create that bulky look in the upper body, by making your chest and shoulders bulge out, as you can see the workout works your overall chest, upper chest, shoulders, then biceps and triceps creating the ultimate upper body pump.]

Back: [These workouts target the overall back, creating an overall cockier feeling. By the end of this day, the front of the upper body is sore from the previous workout, and your back is pumped and full, making you feel like the ultimate beast. Doing traps on this day will contribute greatly to the previous days workout, by adding that fullness to your upper body by collaborating with your shoulders and upper chest to make a thicker appearance.]

Lower Body: [There's not too much on this day, and it's for a good reason. Squats will contribute to the overall bulky look of the legs, and keep your upper and lower body looking proportioned without too much strain.]

Mon: A
Weds: B
Fri: C

Workout A:

[UPPER BODY]
Benchpress: 5x5
Incline Benchpress: 3x8
Military Press: 4x7
Upright rows: 2x7

Barbell curls: 4x7
Concentration curls: 3x8
Dumbbell tricep extensions: 4x7 [warm up with 1x20]
Dips: 3x till near failure [feel free to modify this, it can also be replaced with close grip bench]

Workout B:

[BACK] -
Deadlifts: 4x7
Barbell rows: 4x7
Dumbbell rows: 3x8
Barbell shrugs: 4x10

Workout C:

[LOWER BODY] -
Dumbbell side bends: 4x20
Bicycle crunches: 2x till failure
Crunches: 2x50
Leg raises: 2x10

Squats: 5x10
Calve raises: 3x200 [or weighted, feel free to change the reps and sets of this]


CUTTING -
[Keep the same workouts for bulking, and just alternate between lifting and cardio every week
*example: 1 week lift weights, the next week do cardio only, then repeat* also feel free to adjust the jogging times if you don't have great endurance]

[Also, these added workouts are with failure and light weights to focus on burning extra calories during the cutting phase so that your muscles keep growing with the surplus protein, but so that it helps burn the fat as well. Not to mention to give you better endurance and keep your strength up as well.

Mon: 30min jog [approx. 4 miles]
Tues: 15min jog [approx. 2 miles] - *Benchpress 4x till failure*
Weds: 30 minute jog [approx. 4 miles] - *Bicycle crunches 4x till failure*
Thurs: 15min [approx. 2 miles] jog - *Dips 4x till failure & Concentration curls 4x till failure*
Fri: 45 minute jog [approx. 6 miles]

Anyone can start this program with me, and see how well it works for you also.

TIPS:

BULKING:
1. Eat as much as possible, stuff your face around every 2 hours.
2. Make sure your getting surplus amounts of protein
3. Rest is essential, your muscles won't grow without it
4. Increase weight on workouts every week
5. Stay consistent

CUTTING:
1. Cut out most fats and sugars
2. Stay hydrated
3. If your not sweating, keep running
4. Eat lean meats only
5. Use light weights
Last edited by Zero-Kelvin; 02-22-2010 at 10:35 PM.

[Mr.City]

This reminds of me a few talks my uncle has had with me. He think protein powder will make you bulky. You'll also get bulky if you don't "sweat the protein out." Machine are for toning and barbell exercises are for bulking. If I keep lifting weights, I'll get a big gut and turn into Haystack Calhoun. He gave up lifting weights back in high school because, at a weight of sub-200 and a bench 1RM of 260, he was getting too bulky. He thinks push ups and arm curls are the only exercises you need. He brags about the numerous set of 25 lb curls he can do. Once he "masters" the 40 lb curls, he'll be able to flip big guys like me. For reference, I am 6'3 and weigh 240 ish.

[gordonrumble]

Zero-Kelvin is so awesome, I bet he can outrun Usain Bolt backwards.

[imnotbncre8ive]

This reminds of me a few talks my uncle has had with me. He think protein powder will make you bulky. You'll also get bulky if you don't "sweat the protein out." Machine are for toning and barbell exercises are for bulking. If I keep lifting weights, I'll get a big gut and turn into Haystack Calhoun. He gave up lifting weights back in high school because, at a weight of sub-200 and a bench 1RM of 260, he was getting too bulky. He thinks push ups and arm curls are the only exercises you need. He brags about the numerous set of 25 lb curls he can do. Once he "masters" the 40 lb curls, he'll be able to flip big guys like me. For reference, I am 6'3 and weigh 240 ish.

That is a sad, sad tale. It would be kinda funny, if it weren't sad.

[ColoWayno]

A 47 year old guy I'm working with keeps saying he doesn't mind the heat (it's been 120f) because he's tryin' to sweat off the weight.

After lunch he grabs a couple ice cream treats and a box of Lucky Charms for later.

How does one reach 47 and not have a clue?

[OldMike]

How does one reach 47 and not have a clue?

Ask the President.:rolleyes:

By the way, thanks for posting this stuff. That was one of the funniest things I've seen on the net. That guy is king of the trolls.

"Zero-Kelvin" is another term for "Absolute Zero." That guy is a genius.

[Mr.City]

How does one reach 47 and not have a clue?

My uncle, who I mentioned in my previous post, is about 46. He still lives at home with his mom and rides his bike everywhere. He also makes a point to tell about the spine-destroying potential of squatting and deadlifting every chance he gets. He wears a weightlifting belt to protect his back while shoveling the snow. As you can tell, I come from a long line of athletes.

[beastmaster103]

My uncle, who I mentioned in my previous post, is about 46. He still lives at home with his mom and rides his bike everywhere. He also makes a point to tell about the spine-destroying potential of squatting and deadlifting every chance he gets. He wears a weightlifting belt to protect his back while shoveling the snow. As you can tell, I come from a long line of athletes.


I have been dealing with my sister and brother-in-law about this bullshit since I've delved into SS. I have had some recent back pain issues that may be attributed to a pinched nerve and/or slipped disc. Of course, since both of them are D.O.'s (ostepathic medical doctors), they think that squats are ruining my back. My parents are the same way and it is infuriating. None of them have ever stuck with any type of training program that involved heavy weight. Add my wife to the mix on the "I told you that you'd hurt your back if you kept doing this," and the shit is flying at me from all sides.

She is the most frustrating about this as she tries to tell me that the "cracker jack box certified" PT's she's utilized at various gyms know what they taught her, which she never uses. I keep telling her they are all full of shit, but it falls on deaf ears, since I am not certifed (reads: you don't know what your saying).

I ignore them all and try to lift as much as possible. If I hear "you're not doing enough cardio" one more time, I'm going to explode.

Unfortunately, I really think I may have injured my back, as I'll have pain in my lower back and down my right leg after sitting for an extended period of time. I think the biggest thing I failed to do was supplementary core exercises to strenghten the lower back (good mornings, reverse hypers (I don't have access to a hyper) and that helped to create my current pain I experience.

[fnet]

Unfortunately, I too hear it from all sides. "You're going to hurt yourself", "You're getting too old to lift those weights", etc. Fnet sr. thinks that whey protein and creatine are steroids.

[Gary Gibson]

Post your tale of woe here: http://www.startingstrength.com/resources/forum/showthread.php?p=139952#post139952

[beastmaster103]

I've moved and expanded my original rant to the dedicated thread - thanks for creating that, Gary.

[Gary Gibson]

No problem. I think we all need to vent about this.

[fnet]

Post your tale of woe here: http://www.startingstrength.com/resources/forum/showthread.php?p=139952#post139952

Done. Thanks for setting out the couch for me, Doc.

[hatmanii]

Reading that thread is the equivalent to banging your head against a wall...

-Hat

[Monster]

One thing this guy doesn't get is that, as one gets stronger and learns more about strength training - especially through Rip's books and this site - one's mentality changes. The focus becomes getting stronger as opposed to having 6% bodyfat.

This.